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		<title>By: Russell Mckinney</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand and agree with what you are saying about child molestation not being between two consenting adults. I used that extreme example merely as a way to emphatically show that if we ignore God&#039;s boundaries, boundaries that are plainly spelled out in the Bible, chaos will reign everywhere. Morality (as if there could be such a thing under those conditions) will reside on a sliding scale that shifts from one viewpoint to the next. Billy Graham can say, &quot;Premarital sex is wrong.&quot; Hugh Hefner can say, &quot;Premarital sex is good.&quot; And both will be &quot;right&quot; because there will be no definitive, fixed, timeless standard. 

As for what God intends for people with gender issues, let me offer the following thoughts:

1. I don&#039;t have a doubt that some men and women are born with a predisposition towards homosexuality and lesbianism. But be careful to understand me here. I am NOT saying that I agree with the idea of a &quot;gay gene.&quot; What I&#039;m saying is that just as some people are born with an inner bent towards alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, lust, violence, or greed, some are born with a bent towards homosexuality and lesbianism. Isaiah 53:6 says: &quot;All we like sheep have gone astray. We have turned every one, TO HIS OWN WAY.&quot; For some people, their own way is the way of homosexuality or lesbianism. My father has struggled with alcoholism for most of his life. I, on the other hand, can be locked in a beer store all night and not be tempted to drink one beer. What&#039;s the difference? Dad was born with a predisposition towards alcoholism and I wasn&#039;t. I was born with a predisposition towards other sins, but not that sin. (No, I won&#039;t say which ones.) lol

2. Each and every inborn predisposition toward sin is a side-effect of mankind&#039;s fallen status. It really does go all the way back to the garden of Eden. As Adam&#039;s sin nature was inherently passed down to his offspring, various kinds of sins started showing up in his race. Cain had a bent toward murder (Genesis 4:1-8). Lamech had a bent toward bigamy (Genesis 4:19) and arrogance (Genesis 4:24). On and on it carried, right down the line of human history, all the way up until today. 

3. Even as God understands a person&#039;s inclination toward a certain sin, He demands that the person resist the urge to commit the sin. We simply cannot get around the fact that God is holy. The Bible gives us passage after passage that reminds us of this. Because of His holiness, God can&#039;t just wink at sin (any sin) and say, &quot;Oh, that&#039;s alright. I understand that&#039;s just you being you.&quot; So many people want to make God&#039;s love cancel out His holiness. But that can&#039;t happen. 

4. God desires that through one&#039;s belief in Christ, which produces a spiritual rebirth inside the person (John 3:3-16), the person will become a &quot;new creation&quot; wherein old things will pass away and all things will become new (2 Corinthians 5:17). The agent for this change will be God the Holy Spirit as He comes to take up permanent residence inside the body of the believer (Romans 8:9). As a &quot;new creation,&quot; the believer will be able to come at life from a completely different perspective than before. The Bible calls this living as &quot;the new man&quot; (Ephesians 4:17-24).

5. Even though the Christian is a &quot;new&quot; person, he or she must still deal with the inborn Adamic nature. The born-again experience actually creates a war within the Christian. On the one side is the indwelling Holy Spirit and the &quot;new&quot; that He wires into the Christian. On the other side is the Adamic nature that must be dealt with as long as the Christian is in this mortal body. In Romans 7: 15-25, the man whom many would consider to be the greatest Christian who ever lived, Paul, described his own struggles with this inner war. You see, getting &quot;saved&quot; (being &quot;born again,&quot; becoming a Christian) doesn&#039;t obliterate the person&#039;s sinful bent. What it does is give the person the inner arsenal to resist the natural urge to act upon the bent. The &quot;Adam&quot; of the person wants to go the old way, but the indwelling Holy Spirit says, &quot;No, let&#039;s go God&#039;s way.&quot;

6. By consistently choosing to let the indwelling Holy Spirit have the control, the Christian can actually ween himself or herself off the &quot;pet sin.&quot; Think about a fire. If you throw gasoline onto a fire, the fire explodes and expands. But if you throw water onto it, it diminishes. If you keep on throwing water onto it, it will die down to nothing. The embers will still smolder, but the fire won&#039;t rage. When the Christian purposefully chooses to forego his or her &quot;pet sin&quot; and do things God&#039;s way, that amounts to water being thrown onto the fire of that sin. Just as the embers might smolder for a long time, the urge to commit the sin might stay with the Christian for years, perhaps even for life. But that urge won&#039;t be a raging inferno that destroys everything in its path, including the Christian.

7. Lasting contentment and fulfillment can only be found in walking with God, according to His word (Psalm 1:1-3; Matthew 7:24-27. Admittedly, sin has its temporary, fleeting pleasures(Hebrews 11:25). The drug addict enjoys the &quot;high&quot; for a while. The alcoholic enjoys the &quot;drunk&quot; for a while. The gambler enjoys the &quot;rush&quot; for a while. The homosexual enjoys the &quot;freedom&quot; for a while. But, in the end, a contented, fulfilled life simply can&#039;t be built upon such things. Building upon them is like building upon sinking sand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand and agree with what you are saying about child molestation not being between two consenting adults. I used that extreme example merely as a way to emphatically show that if we ignore God&#8217;s boundaries, boundaries that are plainly spelled out in the Bible, chaos will reign everywhere. Morality (as if there could be such a thing under those conditions) will reside on a sliding scale that shifts from one viewpoint to the next. Billy Graham can say, &#8220;Premarital sex is wrong.&#8221; Hugh Hefner can say, &#8220;Premarital sex is good.&#8221; And both will be &#8220;right&#8221; because there will be no definitive, fixed, timeless standard. </p>
<p>As for what God intends for people with gender issues, let me offer the following thoughts:</p>
<p>1. I don&#8217;t have a doubt that some men and women are born with a predisposition towards homosexuality and lesbianism. But be careful to understand me here. I am NOT saying that I agree with the idea of a &#8220;gay gene.&#8221; What I&#8217;m saying is that just as some people are born with an inner bent towards alcoholism, drug addiction, gambling, lust, violence, or greed, some are born with a bent towards homosexuality and lesbianism. Isaiah 53:6 says: &#8220;All we like sheep have gone astray. We have turned every one, TO HIS OWN WAY.&#8221; For some people, their own way is the way of homosexuality or lesbianism. My father has struggled with alcoholism for most of his life. I, on the other hand, can be locked in a beer store all night and not be tempted to drink one beer. What&#8217;s the difference? Dad was born with a predisposition towards alcoholism and I wasn&#8217;t. I was born with a predisposition towards other sins, but not that sin. (No, I won&#8217;t say which ones.) lol</p>
<p>2. Each and every inborn predisposition toward sin is a side-effect of mankind&#8217;s fallen status. It really does go all the way back to the garden of Eden. As Adam&#8217;s sin nature was inherently passed down to his offspring, various kinds of sins started showing up in his race. Cain had a bent toward murder (Genesis 4:1-8). Lamech had a bent toward bigamy (Genesis 4:19) and arrogance (Genesis 4:24). On and on it carried, right down the line of human history, all the way up until today. </p>
<p>3. Even as God understands a person&#8217;s inclination toward a certain sin, He demands that the person resist the urge to commit the sin. We simply cannot get around the fact that God is holy. The Bible gives us passage after passage that reminds us of this. Because of His holiness, God can&#8217;t just wink at sin (any sin) and say, &#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s alright. I understand that&#8217;s just you being you.&#8221; So many people want to make God&#8217;s love cancel out His holiness. But that can&#8217;t happen. </p>
<p>4. God desires that through one&#8217;s belief in Christ, which produces a spiritual rebirth inside the person (John 3:3-16), the person will become a &#8220;new creation&#8221; wherein old things will pass away and all things will become new (2 Corinthians 5:17). The agent for this change will be God the Holy Spirit as He comes to take up permanent residence inside the body of the believer (Romans 8:9). As a &#8220;new creation,&#8221; the believer will be able to come at life from a completely different perspective than before. The Bible calls this living as &#8220;the new man&#8221; (Ephesians 4:17-24).</p>
<p>5. Even though the Christian is a &#8220;new&#8221; person, he or she must still deal with the inborn Adamic nature. The born-again experience actually creates a war within the Christian. On the one side is the indwelling Holy Spirit and the &#8220;new&#8221; that He wires into the Christian. On the other side is the Adamic nature that must be dealt with as long as the Christian is in this mortal body. In Romans 7: 15-25, the man whom many would consider to be the greatest Christian who ever lived, Paul, described his own struggles with this inner war. You see, getting &#8220;saved&#8221; (being &#8220;born again,&#8221; becoming a Christian) doesn&#8217;t obliterate the person&#8217;s sinful bent. What it does is give the person the inner arsenal to resist the natural urge to act upon the bent. The &#8220;Adam&#8221; of the person wants to go the old way, but the indwelling Holy Spirit says, &#8220;No, let&#8217;s go God&#8217;s way.&#8221;</p>
<p>6. By consistently choosing to let the indwelling Holy Spirit have the control, the Christian can actually ween himself or herself off the &#8220;pet sin.&#8221; Think about a fire. If you throw gasoline onto a fire, the fire explodes and expands. But if you throw water onto it, it diminishes. If you keep on throwing water onto it, it will die down to nothing. The embers will still smolder, but the fire won&#8217;t rage. When the Christian purposefully chooses to forego his or her &#8220;pet sin&#8221; and do things God&#8217;s way, that amounts to water being thrown onto the fire of that sin. Just as the embers might smolder for a long time, the urge to commit the sin might stay with the Christian for years, perhaps even for life. But that urge won&#8217;t be a raging inferno that destroys everything in its path, including the Christian.</p>
<p>7. Lasting contentment and fulfillment can only be found in walking with God, according to His word (Psalm 1:1-3; Matthew 7:24-27. Admittedly, sin has its temporary, fleeting pleasures(Hebrews 11:25). The drug addict enjoys the &#8220;high&#8221; for a while. The alcoholic enjoys the &#8220;drunk&#8221; for a while. The gambler enjoys the &#8220;rush&#8221; for a while. The homosexual enjoys the &#8220;freedom&#8221; for a while. But, in the end, a contented, fulfilled life simply can&#8217;t be built upon such things. Building upon them is like building upon sinking sand.</p>
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		<title>By: correctmyreligion</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well thought out answer.  I do have a few comments.  You claimed that a child molesters &quot;love&quot; for a child could be justified just as eisily as a homosexuals.  The key difference in that case would be that homosexuality is between to consenting adults who are able choose that mutual love, while a child is either forced physically, or mentaly, or emotionaly.

I have always struggled with what God intends for people with gender issues?  any insight?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thought out answer.  I do have a few comments.  You claimed that a child molesters &#8220;love&#8221; for a child could be justified just as eisily as a homosexuals.  The key difference in that case would be that homosexuality is between to consenting adults who are able choose that mutual love, while a child is either forced physically, or mentaly, or emotionaly.</p>
<p>I have always struggled with what God intends for people with gender issues?  any insight?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Mckinney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Mckinney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me begin by apologizing for taking so long to approve your comment and respond to it. The past couple of days have been incredibly busy and hectic for me. This is the first chance I&#039;ve had to sit down and reply.

The post you linked to basically asks two reasonable questions:

#1. Why does our society glorify the violence of sports and lift up violent, arrogant athletes as heroes?   
#2. Isn&#039;t any love, including love between two homosexuals, better than violence and arrogance?

The answer to the first question can be found in peoples&#039; fallen nature. When Adam sinned he took his entire race down to an ugly level. The theological word for this condition is depravity. The Bible&#039;s classic passage on the subject is Romans 3:10-20, but there are plenty of other passages that paint a graphic portrait of the human condition. We are born as sinners who are alienated from the life of God and prone to: unrighteousness, ungodliness, bloodthirstiness, war, competition, destruction, conquest, pride, ego, and irreverence. When Adam and Eve&#039;s firstborn son, Cain, killed their secondborn son, Abel, it was mankind&#039;s fallen nature on early display.

For the record, making sports a false god the way America has done sits no better with God than making homosexuality acceptable. So, why then, do preachers such as myself single homosexuality out from a laundry list of America&#039;s sins? Well, first of all, we don&#039;t. I try to preach against whatever the Bible labels as sin. That includes  the false god of sports. If you don&#039;t believe that read my blog post &quot;Church or YBOA Basketball?&quot; Second, there is no organized group who are saying, &quot;We worship the god of sports and it&#039;s about time every American believed like us.&quot; That is one of the main factors that sets homosexuality apart from other sins.

The answer to the second question can be found in the boundaries that God has set up for love. Let me use another form of sexual sin, adultery, as an example here. Let&#039;s say that a man and a woman work in the same office and, even though they don&#039;t want to, fall in love. But the problem is, each of them is already married. What should they do? They should resist the heartfelt urge to commit the adultery and remain true to their spouses. Why? If they are in love, doesn&#039;t that supersede everything else in life? Isn&#039;t such love what are our movies and songs are constantly telling us to find? Isn&#039;t it the key to a fairy tale &quot;happily ever after&quot; ending? Well, the problem is that adultery, even if it involves what we would call &quot;love,&quot; breaks out of the safety boundaries that God has set up for marriage. And anytime those boundaries are ignored, people are going to get hurt. The betrayed spouses will get hurt. Any kids or grandkids will get hurt. If the man&#039;s parents and the woman&#039;s parents are still alive, they will get hurt. 

You see, mankind, in our depraved arrogance, always thinks that we know best what will make us happy. But God knows that, in the end, we only hurt ourselves and others when we break from his appointed boundaries. When He says, &quot;You shalt not commit adultery,&quot; He is saying, &quot;Don&#039;t hurt yourself and don&#039;t hurt others.&quot; When He says, &quot;Homosexuality is an aberrant form of sex,&quot; He is saying, &quot;I&#039;m telling you this so that you will avoid the pain that you will bring upon yourself and others.&quot; 

Frankly, I find hypocricy in the homosexuals who demand their sexual freedom based upon their &quot;right&quot; to be happy but then stand against child molestors. Can&#039;t the child molestor say with just as much legitimacy, &quot;I demand the right to practice this form of sex because it makes me happy when I engage in it.&quot; One of the sicker ones might even say, &quot;But I LOVE this child.&quot; Do you see what I mean? When you throw out God&#039;s boundaries for love anything and everything is open to individual opinion. The adulterer says, &quot;My adultery makes me happy. I&#039;m in love. Adultery must be good.&quot; The homosexual says, &quot;My homosexuality makes me happy. I&#039;m in love. Homosexuality must be good.&quot; The child molestor says, &quot;My child molestation makes me happy. I&#039;m in love. Child molestation must be good.&quot; Once God&#039;s boundaries are ignored, there is no absolute truth or right and wrong.

And where do we find God&#039;s boundaries? They are recorded in the pages of His written word, the Bible. How we ought to thank God that He hasn&#039;t left us to try to figure out for ourselves what His boundaries are. He has made them crystal clear. His fences are in place and they are there to protect us. But if we, in our sin-tainted self-confidence and rebellion, jump the fences, we expose ourselves to all sorts of harm. This is why even the love that might be found between two homosexuals cannot be labeled as acceptable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me begin by apologizing for taking so long to approve your comment and respond to it. The past couple of days have been incredibly busy and hectic for me. This is the first chance I&#8217;ve had to sit down and reply.</p>
<p>The post you linked to basically asks two reasonable questions:</p>
<p>#1. Why does our society glorify the violence of sports and lift up violent, arrogant athletes as heroes?<br />
#2. Isn&#8217;t any love, including love between two homosexuals, better than violence and arrogance?</p>
<p>The answer to the first question can be found in peoples&#8217; fallen nature. When Adam sinned he took his entire race down to an ugly level. The theological word for this condition is depravity. The Bible&#8217;s classic passage on the subject is Romans 3:10-20, but there are plenty of other passages that paint a graphic portrait of the human condition. We are born as sinners who are alienated from the life of God and prone to: unrighteousness, ungodliness, bloodthirstiness, war, competition, destruction, conquest, pride, ego, and irreverence. When Adam and Eve&#8217;s firstborn son, Cain, killed their secondborn son, Abel, it was mankind&#8217;s fallen nature on early display.</p>
<p>For the record, making sports a false god the way America has done sits no better with God than making homosexuality acceptable. So, why then, do preachers such as myself single homosexuality out from a laundry list of America&#8217;s sins? Well, first of all, we don&#8217;t. I try to preach against whatever the Bible labels as sin. That includes  the false god of sports. If you don&#8217;t believe that read my blog post &#8220;Church or YBOA Basketball?&#8221; Second, there is no organized group who are saying, &#8220;We worship the god of sports and it&#8217;s about time every American believed like us.&#8221; That is one of the main factors that sets homosexuality apart from other sins.</p>
<p>The answer to the second question can be found in the boundaries that God has set up for love. Let me use another form of sexual sin, adultery, as an example here. Let&#8217;s say that a man and a woman work in the same office and, even though they don&#8217;t want to, fall in love. But the problem is, each of them is already married. What should they do? They should resist the heartfelt urge to commit the adultery and remain true to their spouses. Why? If they are in love, doesn&#8217;t that supersede everything else in life? Isn&#8217;t such love what are our movies and songs are constantly telling us to find? Isn&#8217;t it the key to a fairy tale &#8220;happily ever after&#8221; ending? Well, the problem is that adultery, even if it involves what we would call &#8220;love,&#8221; breaks out of the safety boundaries that God has set up for marriage. And anytime those boundaries are ignored, people are going to get hurt. The betrayed spouses will get hurt. Any kids or grandkids will get hurt. If the man&#8217;s parents and the woman&#8217;s parents are still alive, they will get hurt. </p>
<p>You see, mankind, in our depraved arrogance, always thinks that we know best what will make us happy. But God knows that, in the end, we only hurt ourselves and others when we break from his appointed boundaries. When He says, &#8220;You shalt not commit adultery,&#8221; He is saying, &#8220;Don&#8217;t hurt yourself and don&#8217;t hurt others.&#8221; When He says, &#8220;Homosexuality is an aberrant form of sex,&#8221; He is saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m telling you this so that you will avoid the pain that you will bring upon yourself and others.&#8221; </p>
<p>Frankly, I find hypocricy in the homosexuals who demand their sexual freedom based upon their &#8220;right&#8221; to be happy but then stand against child molestors. Can&#8217;t the child molestor say with just as much legitimacy, &#8220;I demand the right to practice this form of sex because it makes me happy when I engage in it.&#8221; One of the sicker ones might even say, &#8220;But I LOVE this child.&#8221; Do you see what I mean? When you throw out God&#8217;s boundaries for love anything and everything is open to individual opinion. The adulterer says, &#8220;My adultery makes me happy. I&#8217;m in love. Adultery must be good.&#8221; The homosexual says, &#8220;My homosexuality makes me happy. I&#8217;m in love. Homosexuality must be good.&#8221; The child molestor says, &#8220;My child molestation makes me happy. I&#8217;m in love. Child molestation must be good.&#8221; Once God&#8217;s boundaries are ignored, there is no absolute truth or right and wrong.</p>
<p>And where do we find God&#8217;s boundaries? They are recorded in the pages of His written word, the Bible. How we ought to thank God that He hasn&#8217;t left us to try to figure out for ourselves what His boundaries are. He has made them crystal clear. His fences are in place and they are there to protect us. But if we, in our sin-tainted self-confidence and rebellion, jump the fences, we expose ourselves to all sorts of harm. This is why even the love that might be found between two homosexuals cannot be labeled as acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: correctmyreligion</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be interested in your opinion on this post...


http://correctmyreligion.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/mma-ufc-gay-porn/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in your opinion on this post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Garrett</title>
		<link>http://russellmckinney.com/2009/04/22/the-bible-and-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great discussion.  To me, this &quot;culture war&quot; is fast approaching, even at the doors.  Rest assured, the issue will not go away. It will be interesting to see how people, from both sides of this issue, respond in the coming days.

II Timothy 3:1-5  
Revelation 11:8
Revelation 3:20]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion.  To me, this &#8220;culture war&#8221; is fast approaching, even at the doors.  Rest assured, the issue will not go away. It will be interesting to see how people, from both sides of this issue, respond in the coming days.</p>
<p>II Timothy 3:1-5<br />
Revelation 11:8<br />
Revelation 3:20</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malcolm Woody]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good debate, perhaps if there were more dialog and less monolog there would be far more understanding.  I applaud the ‘straight talk’ from both sides.  I am sure there is a far greater trail of comments too harsh to post as responses to Pastor McKinney’s presentation of the bible and what it says about this topic.  In no uncertain terms, from my viewpoint, the crux of the debate is held in the belief system.  If the Bible is your authoritative guide to this topic then certainly the argument against Pastor McKinney’s stance is fallible given his extensive research and citings.  If your beliefs are based upon the platform of folks like Morsec0de, then you can fashion your argument around those beliefs founded on that platform, which is either scientific, reason related or post modernism.  If Morsec0de is beholden to the atheistic viewpoint, as it appears so in quoting a blogger of that allegiance,  then certainly nothing matters, live how you wish, do what you wish, your beliefs depend on your personal opinions.  Love is a personal opinion.  Pain is a personal opinion.  Truth is a personal opinion (if it even exists – for truths in the post modern idiom are relative and therefore by definition null and void.  Well, essentially everything is null and void) therefore rendering all things ill-defined, including the belief that someone is redefining “love”.  What is love?  That would be the greater question and far greater answer.  Perhaps we could debate that topic.  The clever part is that there is no argument against the stance of Morsec0de since you are right if you believe that way.  Matter of fact, by their own belief structure they must agree that Pastor McKinney is right, since it is what he believes; albeit pure rubbish to them.  Any other opinion would be a slight to their own belief system.   To me, far more difficult to understand are those who claim Christianity, but point to the Bible as not authoritive.  I can’t even begin to understand the argument.  From a personal authority you decide what is truth or not in a document which your adherence to being a Christian is founded.  I can’t cotton to that.  That would allow me to fashion a belief system based on my personal interpretation.  I could pick what I wanted and discard the rest, which discarding usually means doing away with anything that makes my existence more uncomfortable.  This middle ground is an illusion.  The Bible is either what it purports to be or not.  In a world offended by any absolutes, I agree this is an affront to their belief system.  Exactly, consequently, purging all middle ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good debate, perhaps if there were more dialog and less monolog there would be far more understanding.  I applaud the ‘straight talk’ from both sides.  I am sure there is a far greater trail of comments too harsh to post as responses to Pastor McKinney’s presentation of the bible and what it says about this topic.  In no uncertain terms, from my viewpoint, the crux of the debate is held in the belief system.  If the Bible is your authoritative guide to this topic then certainly the argument against Pastor McKinney’s stance is fallible given his extensive research and citings.  If your beliefs are based upon the platform of folks like Morsec0de, then you can fashion your argument around those beliefs founded on that platform, which is either scientific, reason related or post modernism.  If Morsec0de is beholden to the atheistic viewpoint, as it appears so in quoting a blogger of that allegiance,  then certainly nothing matters, live how you wish, do what you wish, your beliefs depend on your personal opinions.  Love is a personal opinion.  Pain is a personal opinion.  Truth is a personal opinion (if it even exists – for truths in the post modern idiom are relative and therefore by definition null and void.  Well, essentially everything is null and void) therefore rendering all things ill-defined, including the belief that someone is redefining “love”.  What is love?  That would be the greater question and far greater answer.  Perhaps we could debate that topic.  The clever part is that there is no argument against the stance of Morsec0de since you are right if you believe that way.  Matter of fact, by their own belief structure they must agree that Pastor McKinney is right, since it is what he believes; albeit pure rubbish to them.  Any other opinion would be a slight to their own belief system.   To me, far more difficult to understand are those who claim Christianity, but point to the Bible as not authoritive.  I can’t even begin to understand the argument.  From a personal authority you decide what is truth or not in a document which your adherence to being a Christian is founded.  I can’t cotton to that.  That would allow me to fashion a belief system based on my personal interpretation.  I could pick what I wanted and discard the rest, which discarding usually means doing away with anything that makes my existence more uncomfortable.  This middle ground is an illusion.  The Bible is either what it purports to be or not.  In a world offended by any absolutes, I agree this is an affront to their belief system.  Exactly, consequently, purging all middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Mckinney</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to &lt;strong&gt;morsec0de&lt;/strong&gt;:

Since it&#039;s obvious that we are at opposite poles on this issue, I really don&#039;t want to drag things out needlessly. I spoke my mind and you spoke yours. Now we know where we stand. Just two quick things. One, it is possible to love a person without loving their sin. Parents do it with disobedient children every day. Two, I take any debate that I get into back to the Bible. That&#039;s why my points in the post involved Bible passages, not my personal opinions. If you don&#039;t accept the Bible as the authoritative, written word of God, then there&#039;s not much use in debating me. I&#039;m a one-trick pony. I wrote the post as a way of showing my readers what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. That goal has been achieved. How they respond to the Bible and its teaching is out of my hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to <strong>morsec0de</strong>:</p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s obvious that we are at opposite poles on this issue, I really don&#8217;t want to drag things out needlessly. I spoke my mind and you spoke yours. Now we know where we stand. Just two quick things. One, it is possible to love a person without loving their sin. Parents do it with disobedient children every day. Two, I take any debate that I get into back to the Bible. That&#8217;s why my points in the post involved Bible passages, not my personal opinions. If you don&#8217;t accept the Bible as the authoritative, written word of God, then there&#8217;s not much use in debating me. I&#8217;m a one-trick pony. I wrote the post as a way of showing my readers what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. That goal has been achieved. How they respond to the Bible and its teaching is out of my hands.</p>
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		<title>By: morsec0de</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In closing, please hear me when I say that God loves homosexuals.&quot;

From the Friendly Atheist blog: (He responds so much nicer than I would.)

I say this to the religious people who oppose marriage equality:

You think we’re redefining marriage?

How can you accuse us of that when you’ve done something far worse?

You redefined love.

“Love the sinner, hate the sin”? Please…

For you, “love” means making sure gay people cannot adopt a child who needs a home.

For you, “love” means stripping away the marital status of gay couples who were legally married in California before Proposition 8 took effect.

For you, “love” means accepting someone only if they never act on their sexuality.

For you, “love” means putting our country at risk if gay people in our military dare mention they are in a same-sex relationship.

For you, “love” means allowing doctors to refuse patients who need their help because the patients are gay.

For you, “love” means preventing homosexuals from serving in leadership positions for organizations like the Boy Scouts because you oppose their sexual orientation.

For you, “love” means telling someone else what they can and cannot do in the privacy of their bedroom.

For you, “love” means removing your children from school for a day so they can’t witness other students taking a stand for LGBT rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In closing, please hear me when I say that God loves homosexuals.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the Friendly Atheist blog: (He responds so much nicer than I would.)</p>
<p>I say this to the religious people who oppose marriage equality:</p>
<p>You think we’re redefining marriage?</p>
<p>How can you accuse us of that when you’ve done something far worse?</p>
<p>You redefined love.</p>
<p>“Love the sinner, hate the sin”? Please…</p>
<p>For you, “love” means making sure gay people cannot adopt a child who needs a home.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means stripping away the marital status of gay couples who were legally married in California before Proposition 8 took effect.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means accepting someone only if they never act on their sexuality.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means putting our country at risk if gay people in our military dare mention they are in a same-sex relationship.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means allowing doctors to refuse patients who need their help because the patients are gay.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means preventing homosexuals from serving in leadership positions for organizations like the Boy Scouts because you oppose their sexual orientation.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means telling someone else what they can and cannot do in the privacy of their bedroom.</p>
<p>For you, “love” means removing your children from school for a day so they can’t witness other students taking a stand for LGBT rights.</p>
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